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Kazimir Severinovich Malevich[nb 1] (23 February [O.S. 11 February] 1879[1] – 15 May 1935) was a Ukrainian avant-garde[nb 2] artist and art theorist, whose pioneering work and writing influenced the development of abstract art in the 20th century.[2][3][4][5] He was born in Kyiv, Ukraine, to an ethnic Polish family. His concept of Suprematism sought to develop a form of expression that moved as far as possible from the world of natural forms (objectivity) and subject matter in order to access "the supremacy of pure feeling"[6] and spirituality.[7][8] Malevich was a founder of the artists collective UNOVIS and his work has been variously associated with the Ukrainian avant-garde, and he was a central figure in the history of modern art in Central and Eastern Europe more broadly.[9][10] Irynatokarchuk (talk) 03:24, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is incorrect and should not be added to the article. Ymblanter (talk) 05:33, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is correct and has to be added. Malevych by himself wrote his nationally as ukrainian. Please see the documents signed by Malevych. There is no nationally as russian empire. 2A02:8109:C483:C200:F002:10AC:AF88:F6D (talk) 20:30, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Change "Principle of Flickering" to "Principle of Glittering" 136.55.31.195 (talk) 18:17, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done Corrected to reflect the title in the linked article. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 18:52, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nationality

Malevych was born and studied in Ukraine. Could you please change the bit where it is said that he is a Russian artist and write that he is a Ukrainian artist? 148.252.141.124 (talk) 17:16, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Polish nationality

As an ethnically Polish person, how could he be considered Russian? He was Polish. His mother and father were both Polish. 78.26.151.72 (talk) 10:24, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You are confusing ethnicity and nationality. Ymblanter (talk) 12:15, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

He was and identified as Ucrainian’ 41.86.36.155 (talk) 14:19, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Change Russian artist to Ukrainian artist Mary Babych (talk) 22:06, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. This is a controversial subject, as already described in § Nationality and ethnicity. jlwoodwa (talk) 06:06, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kazimir Malevich is Ukrainian artist!!!!

https://uk.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87_%D0%9A%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80_%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87 2A02:FE1:E087:1D00:41DF:E5BA:2289:B229 (talk) 18:02, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, of course this is the most unbiased, uninvolved, and reliable source one can imagine on the subject. Ymblanter (talk) 19:21, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

'Banned from making art'

'Malevich soon lost his teaching position, artworks and manuscripts were confiscated, and he was banned from making art.'

That is indeed a literal quote from the cited NYT article (which also says someone 'left the Soviet Union' in 1993, not exactly evincing accuracy), but the much more detailed exposition on the Russian Wikipedia paints a rather different picture. It indicates that Malevich did lose his teaching position, but he then got another position as the head of a section at a museum, his paintings continued to be exhibited, he participated in exhibitions, and he did continue to make art until his death, although it was mostly realistic portraits in his last few years. His followers organised a somewhat grand funeral, too. None of this can be easily reconciled with the notion that he was really in disgrace. 62.73.72.3 (talk) 22:28, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I made an easy fix, but more work is needed on that part. Ymblanter (talk) 06:35, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Simply not Russian

He was ethnically Polish, linguistically and culturally Ukrainian. But all attempts to express this get reverted, most recently my own edit. The idea that he was Russian is simply incorrect. He didn't even speak the language until he was a teenager. This is not my POV, this is just correct. Gwaka Lumpa (talk) 20:50, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your opinion, but it does not seem to be based on existing academic literature, which calls him a Russian painter and a representative of the Russian avant-garde. Which makes sense, given that he spent his entire career in Russia. Concerning culturally and linguistically Ukrainian, this is indeed a widespread belief in Ukraine which is nit confirmed by any sources not originating from Ukraine. Ymblanter (talk) 20:54, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]